Bineinteles ca multi care sunt homosexuali nu vor fi de accord cu articol mai ales Anton care zice “The American Psychological Association” spune ca homosexualii se nasc homosexual. In articolul meu vreau sa vorbesc putin despre ceea ce zice “American Psychological Association”. Citind un articol am vazut ca ceea ce spune Anton nu este corect. E bine sa facem cercetarile cand cinva spune ceva asa categoric despre un subiect. Am vazut si ochii mei int-un articol publicat in „American Psychological Association” care este numit “Gay-To-Straight Research Published In APA Journal”. Este scris asa “Clients have the right to pursue change, the author says, because „sexual orientation, once thought to be an unchanging trait, is actually quite flexible for some people.” (clienti au dreptul sa caute schimbare pentru ca “orientare sexuala” odata se credea ca nu poate fi schimbat este foarte flexibil si poate fi schimbata in unii oameni). Mai departe se spune asa „sexual orientation is a socially-constructed product of a client’s life experiences and can therefore be modified” (orientare sexuala este format prin societate din experientia lui si poate fi modificata).
Vedem bine ca ceea ce spune Anton ca „toti” zic ca orientala sexuala nu este o alegere nu este cinstit. El foloseste un lucru care se foloseste in a face reclama si in propoganda, ori se spune majoritatea ori se spune chiar toti. Stiinta recunoaste ca este o alegere pentru unii (exact asa spune Biblia). Puteti gasi articolul pe situl http://www.narth.com/docs/throckarticle.html . Repet ca exista si schimbare pentru toti homosexuali care vor sa fie eliberati de pacatul lor. Speranta se afla in Sfanta Biblia, cand Dumnezeu spune asa
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Nu stiti ca cei nedrepti nu vor mosteni ‘mparatia lui Dumnezeu? Nu va inselati in privinta aceasta: nici curvarii, nici inchinatorii la idoli, nici preacurvarii, nici malahii, nici sodomitii (homosexualii), 10 nici hotii, nici cei lacomi, nici betivii, nici defaimatorii, nici raparetii nu vor mosteni ‘mparatia lui Dumnezeu. 11 ªi asa erati unii din voi! Dar ati fost spalati, ati fost sfintiti, ati fost socotiti neprihaniti, in Numele Domnului Isus Hristos, si prin Duhul Dumnezeului nostru.
30 de răspunsuri la “Nu este dovedit ca homosexulii se nasc homosexual ci este o alegere”
La absolut orice teorie, oricat de adevarata este, exista detractori. Asta nu schimba cu nimic lucrurile!
Exceptia intarewte regula.
Esti extrem de bigot, Brewer. De fapt nu ai raspuns la intrebarea mea de ce ai mintit cand te-ai prezentat ca nu esti evaqnghelic! Esti, si tu stii asta!
Dar cred sincer ca tu esti si debil mintal, si sociopat, ca si Fred Phelps!
Being Gay Is Just as Healthy as Being Straight
Evelyn Hooker’s pioneering research debunked the popular myth that homosexuals are inherently less mentally healthy than heterosexuals, leading to significant changes in how psychology views and treats people who are gay.
Findings
In the 1950’s, Dr. Evelyn Hooker studied 30 homosexual males and 30 heterosexual males recruited through community organizations. The two groups were matched for age, IQ, and education. None of the men were in therapy at the time of the study. Dr. Hooker administered three projective tests, which measure people’s patterns of thoughts, attitudes, and emotions–the Rorschach, in which people describe what they see in abstract ink blots, the Thematic Apperception Test [TAT] and the Make-A-Picture-Story [MAPS] Test), in which people tell stories about different pictures. Unaware of each subject’s sexual orientation, two independent Rorschach experts evaluated the men’s overall adjustment using a 5-point scale. They classified two-thirds of the heterosexuals and two-thirds of the homosexuals in the three highest categories of adjustment. When asked to identify which Rorschach protocols were obtained from homosexuals, the experts could not distinguish respondents’ sexual orientation at a level better than chance. A third expert used the TAT and MAPS protocols to evaluate the psychological adjustment of the men. As with the Rorschach responses, the adjustment ratings of the homosexual and heterosexuals did not differ significantly.” Based on these findings, Dr. Hooker tentatively suggested that homosexuals were as psychologically normal as heterosexuals.
(citez in intregime din prezentarea asociatiei psihologilor americani; comcluzii privind orientarea sexuala.
Mai Brewer, de ce minti in halul asta? Cu informatiile in fatza ta, minti de stingi!
Vezi ce iti spune asociatiatia psihologilor americani (psihologia se ocupa de oamenii normali, fara probleme!
daca as veni eu sa va bat la cap toata ziua ca baptistii sunt nebuni, ti-ar conveni? Si totusi acest lucru e mult mai adevarat ca pretentiile tale!
Daca gasesti un psiholog sau altul care incearca sa faca bani din practici ilegale ca „pseudotratamente”, asta nu inseamna nimic!
Dar si aici minti, inainte spuneai ca homosexualitatea nu e o boala, ci o decizie! Esti un dement! Sustii intotdeauna altceva, numai sa-ti satisfaci minciunile si obsesia ta cu homosexualii.
You are the worst scum I have ever encountered, and I will publish an article about uyou in the American Press!
You bastard, stop your demented fixation on us!!!
Redau aici tot continutul pozitiei Asociatiei Psihologilor Americani, pentru a fi comparat cu aberatiile lui Brewer.
What Is Sexual Orientation?
Sexual Orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female) and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior).
Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).
Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Persons may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors.
What Causes a Person To Have a Particular Sexual Orientation?
There are numerous theories about the origins of a person’s sexual orientation; most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person’s sexuality. In summary, it is important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person’s sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people.
Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?
No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?
No. Even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, sometimes pressured by the influence of family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable.
However, not all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people who seek assistance from a mental health professional want to change their sexual orientation. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may seek psychological help with the coming out process or for strategies to deal with prejudice, but most go into therapy for the same reasons and life issues that bring straight people to mental health professionals.
What About So-Called „Conversion Therapies”?
Some therapists who undertake so-called conversion therapy report that they have been able to change their clients’ sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Close scrutiny of these reports however show several factors that cast doubt on their claims. For example, many of the claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective which condemns homosexuality. Furthermore, their claims are poorly documented. For example, treatment outcome is not followed and reported overtime as would be the standard to test the validity of any mental health intervention.
The American Psychological Association is concerned about such therapies and their potential harm to patients. In 1997, the Association’s Council of Representatives passed a resolution reaffirming psychology’s opposition to homophobia in treatment and spelling out a client’s right to unbiased treatment and self-determination. Any person who enters into therapy to deal with issues of sexual orientation has a right to expect that such therapy would take place in a professionally neutral environment absent of any social bias.
Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?
No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.
Can Lesbians, Gay Men, and Bisexuals Be Good Parents?
Yes. Studies comparing groups of children raised by homosexual and by heterosexual parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends. It is also important to realize that a parent’s sexual orientation does not dictate his or her children’s.
Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.
Why Do Some Gay Men, Lesbians and Bisexuals Tell People About Their Sexual Orientation?
Because sharing that aspect of themselves with others is important to their mental health. In fact, the process of identity development for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals called „coming out”, has been found to be strongly related to psychological adjustment—the more positive the gay, lesbian, or bisexual identity, the better one’s mental health and the higher one’s self-esteem.
Why Is the „Coming Out” Process Difficult for Some Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual People?
For some gay and bisexual people the coming out process is difficult, for others it is not. Often lesbian, gay and bisexual people feel afraid, different, and alone when they first realize that their sexual orientation is different from the community norm. This is particularly true for people becoming aware of their gay, lesbian, or bisexual orientation as a child or adolescent, which is not uncommon. And, depending on their families and where they live, they may have to struggle against prejudice and misinformation about homosexuality. Children and adolescents may be particularly vulnerable to the deleterious effects of bias and stereotypes. They may also fear being rejected by family, friends,co-workers, and religious institutions. Some gay people have to worry about losing their jobs or being harassed at school if their sexual orientation became well known. Unfortunately, gay, lesbian and bisexual people are at a higher risk for physical assault and violence than are heterosexuals. Studies done in California in the mid 1990s showed that nearly one-fifth of all lesbians who took part in the study and more than one-fourth of all gay men who participated had been the victim of a hate crime based on their sexual orientation. In another California study of approximately 500 young adults, half of all the young men participating in the study admitted to some form of anti-gay aggression from name-calling to physical violence.
What Can Be Done to Overcome the Prejudice and Discrimination the Gay Men, Lesbians, and Bisexuals Experience?
Research has found that the people who have the most positive attitudes toward gay men, lesbians and bisexuals are those who say they know one or more gay, lesbian or bisexual person well—often as a friend or co-worker. For this reason, psychologists believe negative attitudes toward gay people as a group are prejudices that are not grounded in actual experiences but are based on stereotypes and prejudice.
Furthermore, protection against violence and discrimination is very important, just as it is for other minority groups. Some states include violence against an individual on the basis of his or her sexual orientation as a „hate crime” and 10 U.S. states have laws against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Why is it Important for Society to be Better Educated About Homosexuality?
Educating all people about sexual orientation and homosexuality is likely to diminish anti-gay prejudice. Accurate information about homosexuality is especially important to young people who are first discovering and seeking to understand their sexuality—whether homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. Fears that access to such information will make more people gay have no validity—information about homosexuality does not make someone gay or straight.
Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?
No. Even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, sometimes pressured by the influence of family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable.
Da carativa odata pe vreun forum ca deja suntem sick and tired de discutiile despre homosexualism si religie. Chiar daca este exprimare libera ganditiva ca bull shitu vostru deranjeaza ochii multor cititori si nimanui nu-i este interesant deja cine o sa invinga homosexualii sau sectantii!!!
Oameni buni, in special homosexualilor, faceti-va un site al vostru separat si nu mai „infectati” cu mesaje de „cacao” site-uri unde se discuta probleme serioase. Va rog eu frumos!
Karabas si eu m-am saturat saturat dar trebuie sa raspund…nu am ce face
Ba eu nu m-am saturat! La noi se vorbeste numai despre heterosexuali sau daca nu se vorbeste, oricum, lumea functioneaza doar dupa regulile lor. Vreau sa fiu mai bine informat in aceasta privinta, iar situl e pentru toti. Cind se se vor schimba regulile jocului de pe site, atunci veti fi in drept sa interziceti cuiva sa se exprime. Pana atunci nu aveti decat sa nu cititi ce nu va place.
Nu sunt de acord ca omul alege sa fie homosexual. Aceasta se observa din varsta frageda, chiar atunci cand persoana nici nu-si da seama de alegere. Asa ca teoria asta ca omul alege ori nu este total eronata. M-am saturat de sectanti cu mintea ingusta.
Anton,
Este partea a doua al argumentului despre homosexualitate. Este dovedit ca oameni pot alege sa se schibe, You can deny it all you want but there it is in black in white!!!
Freeman and Meyer (1975) used behaviour therapy techniques in their work with 11 homosexual men. The goal of treatment was „learning to be sexually attracted to females” and „learning to not be sexually attracted to males” (p. 208). Four men who had been exclusively homosexual became exclusively heterosexual. An 18-month follow-up was successfully completed. See „A behavioral alteration of sexual preferences in the human male” (Behavior Therapy, 6, 206-212).
Wolpe (1969) worked with an exclusively homosexual man who felt anxious about his homosexual behaviour. Wolpe told the man that he did not believe change was possible. He also influenced him to change his religious beliefs about homosexuality. The man therefore accepted his homosexuality and continued to be sexually involved with men. As time went on, however, his interest in men decreased and he started to be sexually attracted in women. After sexual involvements with several women, he ended up getting married. See „‘Spontaneous’ Reversal of Homosexuality After Overcoming General Interpersonal Anxiety” (pages 255-262 in The Practice of Behavior Therapy. Elmsford, NY: Pergamon Press, 1969).
Van den Aardweg (1986), a psychoanalyst, reported on his work with 101 clients (approximately half were exclusively homosexual, and half were bisexual). His goal was „radical change” and the „restoration of full heterosexuality” (p. 195f). Fifty-eight of these clients stayed in treatment for more than 8 months. Five men who were exclusively homosexual experienced „radical change” and became heterosexual. The follow-up period was two or more years. See On the Origins and Treatment of Homosexuality (Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers, 1986).
Our research has shown the statement „homosexuals can’t change” to be a generalization. Various sources provide evidence for a partial or full shift in sexual orientation. Such evidence does not mean that every homosexual person should change. It does not mean that everyone can change. It does not mean that change is easy. It does mean that, at least for some people, change of sexual orientation is possible.
http://www.becomingreal.org/articles/change.htm
Anton,
Arat partea a doua a argumentului despre homosexualitate. Este scris in alb si negru ca oameni s-au schimbat orientare sexuala. Even if you deny it there is still evidence, real people who have changed!!! Exista speranta si pentru tine.
Freeman and Meyer (1975) used behaviour therapy techniques in their work with 11 homosexual men. The goal of treatment was „learning to be sexually attracted to females” and „learning to not be sexually attracted to males” (p. 208). Four men who had been exclusively homosexual became exclusively heterosexual. An 18-month follow-up was successfully completed. See „A behavioral alteration of sexual preferences in the human male” (Behavior Therapy, 6, 206-212).
Wolpe (1969) worked with an exclusively homosexual man who felt anxious about his homosexual behaviour. Wolpe told the man that he did not believe change was possible. He also influenced him to change his religious beliefs about homosexuality. The man therefore accepted his homosexuality and continued to be sexually involved with men. As time went on, however, his interest in men decreased and he started to be sexually attracted in women. After sexual involvements with several women, he ended up getting married. See „‘Spontaneous’ Reversal of Homosexuality After Overcoming General Interpersonal Anxiety” (pages 255-262 in The Practice of Behavior Therapy. Elmsford, NY: Pergamon Press, 1969).
Van den Aardweg (1986), a psychoanalyst, reported on his work with 101 clients (approximately half were exclusively homosexual, and half were bisexual). His goal was „radical change” and the „restoration of full heterosexuality” (p. 195f). Fifty-eight of these clients stayed in treatment for more than 8 months. Five men who were exclusively homosexual experienced „radical change” and became heterosexual. The follow-up period was two or more years. See On the Origins and Treatment of Homosexuality (Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers, 1986).
Our research has shown the statement „homosexuals can’t change” to be a generalization. Various sources provide evidence for a partial or full shift in sexual orientation. Such evidence does not mean that every homosexual person should change. It does not mean that everyone can change. It does not mean that change is easy. It does mean that, at least for some people, change of sexual orientation is possible.
http://www.becomingreal.org/articles/change.htm
Va rog sa puneti comentul meu!!!
Scriu a treia oara
Anton
Este dovada in alb si negru ca oameni se pot schimba orientare sexuala pentru deja sunt care s-au schimbat. Exista sperant si pentru tine!!!
Freeman and Meyer (1975) used behaviour therapy techniques in their work with 11 homosexual men. The goal of treatment was „learning to be sexually attracted to females” and „learning to not be sexually attracted to males” (p. 208). Four men who had been exclusively homosexual became exclusively heterosexual. An 18-month follow-up was successfully completed. See „A behavioral alteration of sexual preferences in the human male” (Behavior Therapy, 6, 206-212).
Wolpe (1969) worked with an exclusively homosexual man who felt anxious about his homosexual behaviour. Wolpe told the man that he did not believe change was possible. He also influenced him to change his religious beliefs about homosexuality. The man therefore accepted his homosexuality and continued to be sexually involved with men. As time went on, however, his interest in men decreased and he started to be sexually attracted in women. After sexual involvements with several women, he ended up getting married. See „‘Spontaneous’ Reversal of Homosexuality After Overcoming General Interpersonal Anxiety” (pages 255-262 in The Practice of Behavior Therapy. Elmsford, NY: Pergamon Press, 1969).
Van den Aardweg (1986), a psychoanalyst, reported on his work with 101 clients (approximately half were exclusively homosexual, and half were bisexual). His goal was „radical change” and the „restoration of full heterosexuality” (p. 195f). Fifty-eight of these clients stayed in treatment for more than 8 months. Five men who were exclusively homosexual experienced „radical change” and became heterosexual. The follow-up period was two or more years. See On the Origins and Treatment of Homosexuality (Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers, 1986).
Our research has shown the statement „homosexuals can’t change” to be a generalization. Various sources provide evidence for a partial or full shift in sexual orientation. Such evidence does not mean that every homosexual person should change. It does not mean that everyone can change. It does not mean that change is easy. It does mean that, at least for some people, change of sexual orientation is possible.
http://www.becomingreal.org/articles/change.htm
Mersi
Brewer: Mai bine incearca tu sa urmezi un tratament sa devii homosexual! E mult mai bine pentru toti!
Si te rog citeaza situri cu caracter stiintific, nu junc religios!
Scapare: junk!
Informatia de la „APA” este junk?
Nu! Dar nu este punctul lor de vedere. Ca si alte organizatii ei accepta sa se publice si alte pareri, chiar daca ele nu sunt validate de majoritatea membrilor, pentru ca atata vreme cat ceva este o disputa de idei si nu propaganda ca la voi evangelicii, ei sunt deschisi sa discute si aceste lucruri, indiferent de faptul ca „specialisti” ca Niccolosi sunt dati afara din organizatia psihiatrilor americani.
Tu vrei sa ma lasi sa public si eu la Biserica voastra evanghelica pareri care sunt in contradicite cu dogma voastra?
Sau sa merg inbisericile voastre sa fac prozelitism cum faceti voi?
Cand m-am referit la „junk” am avut in vedere organizatia NARTH pe care tu ai incercat sa o lansezi aici ca asociatie valida!
Ti-am spus exact si despre „autorul Socarides” si despre miscarea ex-gay coordonata de sectele religioase, si de Organizatia Exodus International” care ii sfatuia pe toti gayii sa se „trateze” la NARTH ca sa devina heterosexuali, pana cand a fost desfiintata pentru acei saraci cu duhul s-au incurcat cu alti barbati (in timp ce propovaduiau homosexualilor sa se trateze:))!!!!!
Poetic Justice!
Dar nu mi-ai raspuns cand te tratezi tu ca sa te faci homosexual?
Exista speranta pentru tine!!!!
Anton,
Civilizatia ta te a invatat sa vorbesti asa cu cuvintele rele?
Mi-ai spus „You are the worst scum I have ever encountered, and I will publish an article about uyou in the American Press!
You bastard, stop your demented fixation on us!!!”
Este scris despre tine in Biblia
Matthew 12:34-37 34 Pui de nãpirci, cum a i putea voi sã spune i lucruri bune, cind voi sinte i rãi? Cãci din prisosul inimii vorbeste gura. 35 Omul bun scoate lucruri bune din vistieria bunã a inimii lui; dar omul rãu scoate lucruri rele din vistieria rea a inimii lui. 36 Vã spun cã, in ziua judecã ii, oamenii vor da socotealã de orice cuvint nefolositor, pe care-l vor fi rostit. 37 Cãci din cuvintele tale vei fi scos fãrã vinã, si din cuvintele tale vei fi osindit.„
Eu nu vorbesc frumos cu oamenii care ma mint in fatza si nici nu consider necesr sa-mi cer scuze.
Dar nu mi-ai raspuns la intrebare: cand te tratezi tu sa te faci homosexual?
Si mai am o intrebare: nu vrei sa schimbam? Sa vii tu la San Francisco si sa merg eu in Moldova?
Exista speranta pentru tine daca te pregatesti sa vii in San Francisco!
Sa locuesc in Californication
De ce nu?
Aici baptistii si evanghelicii in general nu fac mult caz de credintele lor pentru ca le e frica sa nu manance bataie!
Nu merg sa converteasca pa altii ca se pot trezi cu un glonte in cap. Sunt foarte cuminti. Nici la Parada gay nu mai vin evanghelici, ca acum 10 ani, sa prostesteze!
Acum doi ani a fost un singur sectant cu un par si in varful parului avea o pancarta pe care scria „Jesus loves You”.
Nimeni nu i-a acordat absolut nici o atentie si pana la urma a plecat!
Dar de ce nu te faci macar pentru o zi homosexual ca sa stii ce induram noi de la trogloditii religiosi! Daca e la alegere!
Nici nu trebuie sa ai sex, Brewer! O zi te descurci tu si fara nevasta! Hai incearca sa fii pentru o zi homosexual, adica sa-ti placa barbatii! Nu te imping sa faci „pacate”, ci doar sa fii o zi in pielea noastra!
S-a spus „Aici baptistii si evanghelicii in general nu fac mult caz de credintele lor pentru ca le e frica sa nu manance bataie!
Nu merg sa converteasca pa altii ca se pot trezi cu un glonte in cap.”
Dovada ca imoralii sunt agresivi, uniti, si fara rusine si resprect fata de altii care nu gandesc ca ei.
Iar va inselati, sau spuneti lucrurilor pe nume, gresit.
Nu este vorba de altii care nu gandesc ca ei
Este vorba ca nu vrem sa ni se impuna sa gandim ca ei pe baza moralitati religioase.
Nu vrem sa hotarasca religia (prin voi, educati de ea) dupa legile ei abstracte, ce e bine pentru oameni.
In altele..toata stima si tot respectul.. dar nu mai bagati religia peste tot ca lege universala a modului de viata.